How to build the itinerary and choose the deals for Osaka stay 5 to 7 days.

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Dotonbori is very popular place to eat and shop near Namba. ©Osaka Convention & Tourism Bureau/©JNTO
Dotonbori is very popular place to eat and shop near Namba. ©Osaka Convention & Tourism Bureau/©JNTO

I think many travellers prefer to stay in one place and visit surrounding areas as day trip. I have received many inquiries about Osaka stay and visit surrounding areas, like Kyoto, Kobe, Nara as day trip. I understand that it’s quite easy to stay in one place and enjoy the trip with luggage free.

But many of you struggle to plan and choose the deals. In this post, I show you 5 days Osaka stay sample itinerary. You will learn how to choose the deals for your trip. Of course you can extend to stay, like 6 days, 7 days, as many as you want.

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Day 1 / KIX (Kansai airport) to Osaka

Kansai Airport Express Haruka
JR Limited Express Haruka is one of the popular way from KIX to get Osaka.

Before you choose the deals, you have to make sure these things:

  • Location to stay
  • Plan after arrival your accommodation

There are several deals available.

Let’s see which deal is the best by location.


ICOCA and Haruka is most recommended. It includes one way or round trip between any JR stations in Osaka and Kansai airport by limited express Haruka non reserved seat, and 1500 yen e-money in ICOCA. This e-money can be used for any trains in Kansai area.

Limited Express Haruka is most comfortable way to get Shin-Osaka. But if you are very sensitive with the cost, Kanku Chikatoku Ticket is the best. It is sold at 1000 yen only. Even though you have to transfer at Namba from Nankai Railway to Osaka Subway Midousuji line, the cost is cheaper than Haruka Discount Ticket at 1,300 yen.

Kanku Chikatoku Ticket

If you arrive early and intend to visit somewhere in Osaka after arrival hotel, there are some options. If you choose ICOCA and Haruka, it gives you 1500 yen e-money to take any trains. Kanku Chikatoku Ticket gives you only airport access. But you can purchase Enjoy Eco Card (Osaka Subway and Bus unlimited travel pass) or Osaka Visitors Ticket. You know that subway fare for Shin-Osaka to Umeda is 240 yen and Shin-Osaka to Namba is 280 yen. Please see the link below to find more information about deals

And also Kansai Thru Pass is considerable too. This pass covers any “NON JR” trains. You can get almost anywhere in Kansai area. Especially if you intend to visit somewhere outside of Osaka after arrival, Kansai Thru Pass is a good choice. Be careful that Kansai Thru Pass does not cover Haruka by JR. This pass does not give you any direct access to Shin-Osaka. If you want to have comfortable way, ICOCA and Haruka is still the best choice.

At last, Yokoso Osaka Ticket gives you a great value. It includes Nankai railway’s limited express train “Rapi:t” from KIX to Namaba and unlimited ride of Osaka subway. This is one day subway pass portion of this deal can be used on next day.


Most affordable way is just taking Nankai Railway rapid train. You can take this train by base fare only which is 920 yen.

But Namba Access Rapi:t ticket is most recommended. But if you intend to drop by somewhere on the way back to the airport, such as Rinku town, Kanku Tokuwai Rapi:t Ticket is your choice. “Rapi:t” is Nankai Railway’s direct limited express train between KIX and Namba. It gives you most comfortable way to get Osaka beside JR’s limited express “Haruka”.

Namba Access Rapi:t Ticket
Kanku Webtoku Ticket

Namba Access Rapi:t Ticket is almost same price as Kanku Chikatoku Ticket. Even Kanku Webtoku Ticket is only 130 yen higher than Kanku Chikatoku Ticket. But Kanku Chikatoku Ticket does not include Rapi:t Express surcharge at 510 yen.

ICOCA and Haruka can be used for access to Namba. But you have to transfer at Tennoji from Haruka to local train to JR Namba. And JR Namba station is a bit away from the center of Namba area. If you want to have ICOCA, it’s not a bad choice. But please keep in in mind JR Namba station location and transfer at Tennoji.

Yokoso Osaka ticket and Kansai Thru Pass may be considerable too if you make some more trips after arrival in Namba. It is same reason as staying in Shin-Osaka. Please see the above.

JR Osaka / Umeda

There are several options to get Umeda/JR Osaka station area. JR Kansai Airport Rapid is only direct train service from KIX to Osaka. This is most recommended way.

Rapid train service to Kansai Airport and Wakayama from Osaka. Kansai Airport Rapid Service and Kishuji Rapid Service
This rapid train connects Kansai airport, Wakayama, Tennoji and Osaka. This is a sort of the commute train. You may find the information about this train in thi...

You can use a single fare if you use this train. However you can use ICOCA and Haruka for this train if you want to have ICOCA. Because single fare is 1190 yen for taking this rapid train. If you purchase ICOCA card only, it is sold at 2000 yen (1500 yen preload e-money and 500 yen deposit). So total cost is 3190 yen (1190 + 2000). But ICOCA and Haruka one way ticket to Tennoji is sold at 3,100 yen. This deal can take you to any JR stations in downtown Osaka. It means that this deal covers Haruka only to Tennoji. It does not mean you can get only Tennoji. So you can use Tennoji version of ICOCA and Haruka to get Osaka.

Remember that ICOCA can be used for any trains. It includes even non JR trains, like subway. And also you can pay by ICOCA to shop in the convenience store. ICOCA does not give you any discount. But it is very convenient and gives you ticket free trip. In case that you use ICOCA and Haruka, you can take Haruka to Shin-Osaka or Tennoji and transfer to local train to get Osaka if you like.

If you are very sensitive a cost, Kanku Chikatoku Ticket is your choice. It is sold at 1000 yen. You have to transfer the train at Namba from Nankai Railway to Subway Midousuji line. But it is 190 yen cheaper than JR single fare.

And Yokoso Osaka ticket and Kansai Thru Pass may be considerable too if you make some more trips after arrival in Osaka/Umeda. It is same reason as staying in Shin-Osaka. Please see the above.

Other places near subway stations

Your first choice is Kanku Chikatoku Ticket. If you intend to make some trips after arrival, Kansai Thru Pass may be your choice.

Yokoso Osaka ticket and Kansai Thru Pass may be considerable too if you make some more trips after arrival in Namba. It is same reason as staying in Shin-Osaka. Please see the above.

Other places near JR stations

As long as you stay on Osaka Kanjo line, such as Tennoji, Kyobashi, Nishikujo, single fare is the best option. It is same thing as staying in Osaka/Umeda area. And many places can be accessed by Osaka subway. Kanku Chikatoku Ticket is your choice if you are very sensitive with the cost. Please see the map in the link below to find more information about location in Osaka.

Day 2 / Day trip to Kyoto

Togetsukyo bridge in Arashiyama, Kyoto. ©Yasufumi Nishi/©JNTO
Togetsukyo bridge in Arashiyama, Kyoto. ©Yasufumi Nishi/©JNTO

I put Kyoto on day 2 in this sample itinerary. But you can switch any trips. You can stay in Osaka, visit Kobe, Nara or other spots. This is just sample.

The key is how many times you will take a train. So you have to find where you go in Kyoto before you pick up the pass. First of all, please see the following post:

Kyoto can be accessed by three railways, JR (Osaka – Shin-Osaka – Kyoto), Hankyu Railway (Umeda – Kawaramachi/Arashiyama), and Keihan Railway (Yodoyabashi – Kyobashi – Kiyomizu-Gojo – Shijo – Sanjo). So make sure where you will stay in Osaka and where you go in Kyoto.

In Kyoto, there are four different areas, West (Arashiyama, Kinkaku-ji temple), Central (Nijo castle), East (Higashiyama, Kiyomizudera, Yasaka shrine, Ginkaku-ji) and South (Fushimi Inari, Uji). In my opinion, it is not impossible to visit all four places in one day, but not realistic. I recommend you to spend 2 days or at least 1.5 days. If you complete West, Central and East, you can combine South area with Nara. Because Fushimi and Uji are located between Nara and Kyoto.

If you do this above one full day Kyoto and Kyoto+Nara in one day, the best choice fis Kansai Thru Pass. Only this pass cover round trip to Kyoto by both Hankyu and Keihan, and subway, bus and railway other than JR in Kyoto. I explain this trip at the following link:

If you don’t want rush and have easy slow trip, single fare and/or Kyoto all day bus pass may be better. For example, if you want to visit just Arashiyama, one way fare to Arashiyama from Umeda by Hankyu Railway is 400 yen. If you stay in other than Umeda, you will take subway or JR train to get Umeda. You will spend approximately 500 to 600 yen for round trip to Umeda. But Kansai Thru Pass 2 days pass is sold at 4000 yen. So you have to make 2000 yen worth in one day. Trip to only Arashiyama is not enough to use Kansai Thru Pass.

If you visit one more place beside Arashiyama, how about it? In Kyoto, All day bus pass (Kyoto bus unlimited train) is sold at 500 yen. If you stay in Umeda, total cost is 1300 yen. It is way cheaper Kansai Thru Pass. But All day bus pass does not cover any train services in Kyoto. If you want to take subway in Kyoto, you have to purchase Kyoto city sightseeing card at 1200 yen. But total cost is 2000 yen. It is same cost as Kansai Thru Pass. In this case, Kansai Thru Pass is better.

Even you intend to visit only Arashiyama, you may take subway for evening in Osaka for eat or shop. Remember that one way subway fare for Umeda-Namba is 240 yen. You will spend about 500 yen for this trip.

If you are very sensitive about the cost, you have to calculate very exactly. But if you have Kansai Thru Pass, it is very flexible.

By the way, you can get Kyoto by JR train. Especially Special Rapid train is the fastest train to get Kyoto from Osaka.

Single fare
Shin-Osaka or Osaka – Kyoto 560 yen

When you use JR trains, the problem is that most of popular sites are not located around JR Kyoto station. You have to take subway or bus. JR has Kansai Area Pass at 2060 yen. But single fare is way cheaper than this deal. So if you have ICOCA and enough fund in ICOCA, you can use JR train to get Kyoto and purchase All day bus pass or Kyoto city sightseeing card.

If you do half Nara and half Kyoto in one day by JR trains, total cost (Osaka-Nara-Kyoto-Osaka) is more than 2000 yen. In this case, you can use Kansai Area Pass instead of Kansai Thru Pass.

Day 3 / Day trip to Nara

Todaiji is one of the popular spot in Nara. ©Nara Prefecture/©JNTO
Todaiji is one of the popular spot in Nara. ©Nara Prefecture/©JNTO

As I mentioned above, you can make half Nara and half Kyoto in one day. But some of you want to visit Nara only. Let’s see it.

Nara can be accessed by JR and Kintetsu Railway (Osaka-Namba – Kintetsu-Nara). The post below shows you about trip to Nara by JR pass basically. But you can get some information about access to Nara:

Most of popular spots in Nara are located within walking distance from Nara station. So you will get a chance to use the pass to take the train to Nara only. You may not have many chances to use the pass after arrival in Nara.

Single fare for Kintetsu Railway
Osaka-Namba – Kintetsu-Nara 560 yen.

If you stay in other than Namba, you will spend 500 to 600 yen for round trip to Namba by subway. The total cost is very close to the worth of Kansai thru Pass. So if you make some more trips by subway in Osaka or other trains before/after trip to Nara, Kansai Thru Pass can be the choice. Otherwise single fare is cheaper.

On the other hand, Nara can be accessed by JR train too. Especially if you stay in Osaka/Umeda, you can take Yamatoji Rapid train to get Nara directly.

Single fare
Osaka – Nara 800 yen
Shin-Osaka – Nara 920 yen

Kansai Thru Pass does not cover any JR trains. JR has Kansai Area Pass at 2060 yen. But if you have round trip to Nara from even Shin-Osaka, single fare is still cheaper. And also Kansai Area Pass covers only JR trains. In my opinion, it is not very useful for exploring in Osaka before/after trip to Nara. I believe that Kansai Thru Pass is more useful.

Day 4 / Day trip to Kobe or Kobe and Himeji

Kobe is closer than Kyoto and Nara from Osaka. Let’s see the single fare.

Single fare for Hankyu or Hanshin Railway
Umeda – Sannomiya 320 yen

You will have some chances to take a bus in Kobe. If you use Kansai Thru Pass, Kobe city bus and subway are covered. But single bus fare is 210 yen. If you take a subway, you can get most of places by base fare ticket at 210 yen. So actually it is quite hard to get the worth to use Kansai Thru Pass. If you use ICOCA and Haruka, it is a good idea to use ICOCA e-money for this trip.

But if you intend to make some more trips in Osaka before/after trip to Kobe, Kansai Thru Pass may work. It is same situation as trip to Nara. And also one of famous Onsen, Arima Onsen is closed to Kobe. If you want to have something different, try to visit Kobe and Arima in one day. Kansai Thru Pass does work for this trip.

If you visit both Himeji and Kobe in one day, it is different story. Please see the posts in the link below:

Kansai Thru Pass work for Kobe and Himeji trip. However JR’s Special Rapid train is way faster than Hanshin/Sanyo railways that are covered by Kansai Thru Pass. Please see the following post:

If you want to have quick access to Himeji by JR Special Rapid, use Kansai Area Pass at 2,060 yen for one day. It is cheaper than single fare.

Day 5 / Sightseeing in Osaka

When you stay in Osaka, don’t think about using Kansai Thru Pass and Kansai Area Pass. You can get most of places by Osaka subway. Please see the map in the link below:

As you see, only USJ cannot be accessed by subway. But if you will visit USJ, you will spend one whole day there. So single fare is fine.

There are many deals available in Osaka, such as subway pass, Amazing Pass, Osaka Kaiyu Ticket. Please see the link below to find the detailed information:

Day 6 / Trip to Mt. Koya

Mt. Koya (Koya san) is very popular for the tourists from overseas. You can use Kansai Thru Pass for this day trip.

Single fare for Nankai Railway
Namba – Gokurakubashi – Koyasan 1260 yen

As you see, if you have round trip to Mt. Koya from Namba, total cost is 2520 yen. Kansai Thru Pass is way cheaper.

But if you will stay overnight in Mt. Koya, Koyasan-World Heritage Ticket may be better choice.

Koyasan-World Heritage Ticket

It is valid for 2 days. If you purchase it for Namba – Mt. Koya ticket, the ticket is 3,710 yen. This includes round trip fare to Koyasan from Namba, Nankai Rinkan bus and discount for some attractions and souvenir shop.

You can use Kansai Thru Pass for overnight trip to Koyasan too. The coverage is not much differnet. But Kansai Thru Pass can be used for other destinations, such as Kobe, Kyoto and Nara. If you want to use Kansai Thru Pass 3 days for these destinations, and need another deals to get Koyasan, Koyasan-World Heritage Ticket is your choice.

Day 7 / Back to KIX

Please refer the above at “Day 1”. You can use same deal as arrival day.

Some of you are thinking about drop by Rinku Town on the way to KIX. If you get off at Rinku Town, you cannot use any deal. Single fare is your choice.

For the trip to outside of Kansai area

Kinosaki onsen, Kurashiki, Okayama and even Hiroshima can be accessed as day trip. I recommend you the following deals if you will visit outside of Kansai area.

For the trip to Kinosaki onsen, Kurashiki and Okayama, Kansai Wide Area Pass is recommended:

For the trip to Hiroshima and Miyajima, Kansai Hiroshima Area Pass is recommended:


  1. Louise says:

    Hello Takeshi
    Could you please advise me as to which tourist passed I should purchase for my upcoming trip ? Please see itinerary-
    My accommodation is in Takatsuki-shi (between Osaka and Kyoto)
    16 Oct – arrive KIX 9am and explore Osaka before arriving Takatsuki-shi
    17-18 Oct – explore Osaka
    19-20 Oct – explore Kyoto
    22 Oct- Takatsuki-shi to Kii-Tanabe to explore Kumano Kodo
    22-26 Oct – hiking Kumano 5 days taking some local buses too.
    26 Oct- travel back to Takatsuki-shi accommodation
    27 Oct- fly out KIX 9pm

    For the 5 days traveling from Takatsuki-shi to Kumano Kodo and back:
    Ise-Kumano-Wakayma Tourist Pass or JR Kansai Wide Area Pass?

    For to and from KIX: ICOCA and Haruka return pass?

    For 2 days exploring Osaka?
    For 2 days exploring Kyoto?

    Thank you in advance, I’m finding my research quite confusing

  2. Shelly says:

    Hello Takeshita

    Can you please give some suggestion what pass is suitable?
    Travelling 2 Adults and 1 child under 6 years.
    Day 1- KIX airport to Kyoto – using Haruka & icoca card
    Should I get one way or round trip Haruka?
    From Osaka we stay near Umeda station, does it cover using haruka?

    Day 2-3 Kyoto sightseeing ie: Fushinari, Kiyomizudera, Golden pavilion & bamboo grove
    Is it necessary to get 1 day bus ticket?

    Day 4 – Kyoto – Osaka
    Day 5 – Universal Studio
    Day 6 – Osaka Kaiyukan & Osaka castle – use Osaka Kaiyukan ticket

    Day 7 – Osaka sightseeing – Osaka Amazing pass or Kansai One Pass?
    Day 8 – Still undecided Nara & Kobe, Himeji?

    Do I need to get Kansai thru pass?

    Thank you in advance.

  3. Azleena Ab wahab says:

    Hi Takeshi-san,

    I have plan to go to Snow Park at Mt Rokko. I found a Rokkosan Ski Coupon tix by Hankyu Railway that can be of use. However, I don’t quite understand the desc given i.e. under valid section, it says that it covers round trip ticket to each station (except Kobe Kosoku Line) ~ Rokko Station.

    Let say after getting down fr Mt Rokko I proceeded to Kobe Port Tower/Meriken Park, can i use the pass to go back to Umeda fr any station on Hankyu Line or I have to specifically take from Rokko st (the one I disembarked at before going up Mt Rokko)? Because if it is, it would mean that i have to stop at Rokko St from Kobe-Sannomiya (assuming fr Meriken Park I take train at Kobe-Sannomiya to go to Umeda).


    • Hi Leena san,

      If you purchase this deal and start using Umeda, it includes Umeda-Rokko round trip only. You cannot get Kobe, Sannomiya or any other stations than Umeda. So if you want to go to Kobe port area, you need to purchase a ticket for Rokko to Kobe-Sannomiya. When you go back, you need to purchase a ticket to Rokko station. When you get off at Umeda, show both Rokkosan ticket and the ticket to Rokko at man’s gate. You cannot go through the machine gate.


      Takeshi /

  4. Sunil Chaudhary says:

    Hello Takeshi,

    We are a group of 6 people arriving at KIX on 16.09.2017.
    Our current plan is like this(booking already done)
    16.09.17 – arrive at KIX airport in the evening
    16.09.17 – KIX airport to Shin-Osaka(Hotel)
    17-18-19-.09.17 – Osaka & Kyoto sightseeing(places not decided)
    20.09.17 – Shin-Osaka to Tokyo
    20-21-22.09.17 – Sightseeing at Tokyo
    23.09.17 – Tokyo to KIX airport – After noon flight

    I intend to purchase JR Pass(7 days).
    Kindly suggest for other passes for local sightseeing at Osaka/Kyoto/Tokyo/ Airport Transfer.

    Waiting for your comments.

  5. DZUNG NGUYEN says:

    Hi Takeshi-san,

    We are a group of four adults who plan to visit Tokyo-Osaka areas in 10 days. We arrive Tokyo (Narita airport), stay in Tokyo for 3 days and then move to Osaka. We plan to stay in Osaka for 7 days and make one-day round trips from Osaka to different places like, for example, Osaka-Kobe, Osaka-Kyoto, Osaka-Nara/Nagoya/Hokune.

    Here are the deatails:

    Day 1 (11Aug): Arrive Narita Airport.
    Day 2&3 (12 & 13Aug): Sightseeing in Tokyo.
    Day 4 (14Aug): Travelling from Tokyo to Osaka (Shinkansen).
    Day 5 (15Aug): Going to Kyoto (Mt. Fuji, etc….)and back to Osaka (one day trip).
    Day 6 (16Aug): Going to Kobe and back to Osaka.
    Day 7 (17Aug): Travelling around Osaka: Dontobori, Kuromon market, etc..)
    Day 8 (18Aug): Travelling around Osaka: Universal Studio Japan in Osaka.
    Day 8 (19Aug): Sightseeing in Osaka.
    Day 9 (20Aug): Travelling back to Tokyo from Osaka (Shinkansen)
    Day 10: going home from Narita.

    Thus, in order to save costs, I plan to buy a national 7 day JR pass. However, we shall not use the pass in Tokyo but wait until we go from Tokyo to Osaka (Shinkansen) and start using such a pass on 14 August for Shinkansen from Tokyo to Osaka. And then using this JR pass for travelling from Osaka to Kyoto and back, to Kobe and back, to Universal Studio Japan in Osaka. We can also use this pass for Shinkansen back to Tokyo on 20 August.

    In Osaka, we stay in walking distance from Nipponbashi station. So do you think our plan would work? Can we use JR pass for travelling/sighseeing in Osaka, for going to Kyoto, Kobe as I plan?

    Thank you so much for your assistance and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

    Thanks and best regards,

    Dzung Nguyen

  6. Grace says:

    Hi Takeshi, could I please seek your advice about whether my plan works? I have read through all your posts but I am still confused. I will be based in Osaka for 10 days and making many day trips.

    Day 1: arrival from kansai airport to osaka, explore osaka
    (get a Kansai ICOCA card + round trip Haruka ticket)

    Day 2 -4: day trips to kyoto (round trip each day)
    –> should i get a pass??

    Day 5: day trip to nara
    –> should i get a pass??

    Day 6: himeiji + kobe
    (Get one day JR or kansai thru pass??)

    Day 7 & 8: explore osaka
    –> amazing osaka pass?

    My main question is whether i should get a pass to visit kyoto and nara as i will be making days trips for 4 days in a row.

    Thank you in advance!

  7. Valerie C says:

    Hello, Takeshi. Can you give us some recommendations for transportation passes for our upcoming trip to Osaka and Kyoto? Here is our rough itinerary:

    Day 1: KIX to Osaka (Namba to Nippombashi Station)
    – I read that the Kanku Chikatoku ticket would be our best bet. Should we get round trip tickets at the airport?

    Day 2: Universal Studios

    Days 3-4: Kyoto (staying overnight at a place a bus ride from Kyoto Station, or a 10-minute walk from Yamaguchi JR station)
    – Gion
    – Arashiyama bamboo grove
    – Fushimi Inari
    – Nishiki Market (optional)

    Day 5: Dotonbori, Kurumon Market, Shinsaibashi

    Day 6: Return to KIX

    Thanks so much!

  8. Kazzi says:

    Hi Takeshi-san,

    I would also like to ask for advice which pass suits best for our visit to Kansai. We are planning a more laid back vacation and not really going to a lot of attractions.

    Day 1-KIX to Osaka(Namba) early afternoon; attend Kurama Festival at night

    Day 2- Day trip to Kobe (Mount Rokko) and Arima Onsen

    Day 3- Day trip to Kyoto (Fushimi Inari, Kiyomizu-dera, Gion)

    Day 4-7 – sightseeing around Osaka then back to KIX at the night of day 7

    We are arriving early afternoon on the first day and departing Kansai at around 8pm on the last day.

  9. Richard Gu says:

    Dear Takeshi-san,

    I really like your idea to stay in Osaka and then travel to Kyoto, Kobe and Nara. Would you please advise which pass suits my plan listed below for six-day stays in Osaka (Namba area)

    – Day 1 – Kansai Airport to Osaka (Namba)
    – Day 2- Day trip to Nara (Todai-ji temple)
    – Day 3- Day trip to Kyoto (Fushimi-Inari Taisha, Kiyomizu-dera, Ginkaku-ji, Gion)
    – Day 4 – Day trip to Kyoto (Arashiyama, Ryōan-ji, Kinkaku-ji, Nijō Castle)
    – Day 5 – Osaka city visit (Kaiyukan Aquarium)
    – Day 6 – Day trip to Kobe (Mount Rokkō), Hemeji (Himeji castle)
    – Day 7 – Osaka city visit
    – Day 8 – Osaka to Kansai Airport

  10. Helen Lai says:

    Hello Takeshi,

    Looks like you giving good advises. Could you please give me some as well for transportation and passes that we should get.

    Day 1 – KIX airport to Kyoto (staying around Kyoto station)
    Day 2 – Kyoto to Osaka (staying around Homachi station)
    Day 3 – Osaka City tour
    Day 4 – Osaka to Nara return
    Day 5 – Osaka city tour and to KIX airport in the afternoon

    Friends has recommended the Haruka to travel from KIX to Kyoto and Osaka to KIX. By separate ticket from Kyoto to Osaka and Nara. Use ICOCA card for travel within Kyoto and Osaka . What are your thoughts? Any better recommendations?

    First time to Japan. A bit worried.

    Kind Regards,
    Helen Lai

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